SAMESPRAKE DIALOGUES
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:tste SAMF C' ?RAAK. Jst DIALOGUE.
'l'we hinds.
Biin ek jou tog Jc-'-:lik
weer, oa
~l~rell
Ek kan diselfde flr jou II&.
En hoe behandel di wAreld "
:jou? . ,
Soos gewoonlik : ni fe~J,l OlD
o'er
-te
kla
ni.~ . ~ ..
W anneer het jJ fan eli Good- : felde terug gekom P t'
Net fan morre.
Mar dan moet
i1
moete
danig moeg wees.0, ne ; ek het myn rys drimaal afgebreek. Ek kom van morre
n~~ mar fan di Paarl.
Alweer boeke I
Ja ; jy weet mos ek hou feu!
;fan lees.
Ek weet dit goed.
, W atter boek bet jy daar ? Di titel is : " Di Komplete Ge-
·'•lkidenis fan di Transvaal."
Geskrywe deur John Nixon, ne?
Wat is di prys?
Twaalf silings en 'n sikspens.
Dis duur genoeg I nenk jy so?
Ek is seker daarfan. Mnr.
··C<~.chct. syn boek: "De Worstel-
. stryd der Transvalers," is groter ; .4!et ferskye plate ; en 'n grote .kaart fan di Transvaal ; en kos .. oek mar diselfde prys.
-, -. -
Two Friendl.
Do
I at l~tsee
you again,oJd
fellow PI oan say, the same to you.
J
An(l how doel! the world treat
JOU (
•)
As usual; not much to oom•
plain of. ..
Wheu did you retor,rl !rom the
Gold Fields P •
Only this morning.
But then yon must be very much fatigued (tired).
0, no; I have broken my jour- ney thre· times. I only came from' the Pal',tl thin morning.
BoJ'(s again !
Yts; you know I am very fond· of reading.
I know it well.
Whnt boo'· have you there?
The title is: •· Complete His· tory of Lhe Transra:1!."
Written by Jo'•n Nixon; not so ? What is the price·:
Twelve shillings and sixpen<M!.
That's dear enough I Do you think so?
I am sure of it. Mr. Cachet's work: "The Struggle of the Trans- vaal People," is larger ; has sever- al pictu1es; and a large map of the T1 a nsraal ; and co!\ts but the
e~n:.t pric .•
Ek het gedenk Ei:J..:?;else boeke is altyd goedkoper as Hollanse.
Storiboeke, ena., mag goedkoper wees, !Jlar· wete nschappelike. boeke
JJi ;
boeke van waarde-is in Enge- 11and duuder as in Holland.Dis amper freemd I
· En tog is dit so. PerbMr
f ·;
Ek sal dit doen.
Gaan JY weer na di Goadfelde terog?
Ja; mar ni foor Sept.eiiiMr
.&a lit
irillieeltemaal uikal. · ·Jy
bet groot gelJL Pleairig l ' ·.2de SAM ESPRAAK.
Wat denk jy fan di Engels- lussise kwessi?
Ek denk, dit ia
'n
moeielilre hessi.Is
jyftr
frede of oorlogP
Frede ie heter as oorlog.
Heel goed; ek hon oek meer
·fan frede as fan oorlog ; mar dis ni, wat ek meen ni ; kan ons frede M,
1
ae
ons duidelik siin wat di mening f&D Rusland is ?Ek frees, dat di kwaje dag moet
• kom ; ons sal moet feg ; dis myn opini ; ·of jy met my insteril, ·of dat jy met my ni in stem ni,:ek weet ni, mar o01·log is onfermyde-
lik ;
Rusl>md saL nooit tefrede wees ni, m .. t \\'at hy h"t ui ; sy, bet di Pe1sise Golf in di oog·.Dis oek myn opini.
Fir di ogenbiik is di sa.'tk geskik;
mar ons bet niks gew 11 ni ~ eu Rusland het gekl'y al wat by geys bet.
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I thought E11glislt books are always cheaver than Dutch.
Novel~. "'<' .. may be cheaper;~
but 1no H:i.,. L.lic hooks ; valuable, books ar' dearer in Eug land than, in Holland.
Th>Jt's rather strange I
·• And yet so it is, Try P I will do it.
, Are you going back again
to the'
QOld Fields
r
Yes
! but not before Septeaab&I
Will· take a thorough good I'8IL ... Yoa a,e quit.e
rig..,A.aieli
I · ·
... 2nd DIALOGUIL
. What do you think of tbe-·
English-Russian question ? I think it is a difficult questioD;
Are yon for peace or for warP Peace is better than war, Very well, I also like peace bet-· ter than war ; but this is not what . I mean ; can we have peace when we cle;.n·ly see, what is the inten-
tion of Russia ? ·
I fear, that. the evil day ~ill · come ; we shall have to fight!
this· is my opinion ; whether you agree with me; or whether you do not agree with me. I don't know ; but war is unavoidable ; Rnssia will never be satisfied, with what she has ~ she has her eye on the Persian Gnlf.
That is alw my opinion.
For the moment the case is set- tled; but we have gained nothing;
a11d Russia has got all she de- · manded.
Rusland wil Herat he; Engeland sal hom dit ni I at kry ni; a! twe di magte maak kiaar fit• 'n harde stryd.
Rusland bet foordele wat Enge- iand ni het ni.
Jy meen : Rusiand is nader by di toneel fan di stryd ; reg ge- noeg ; mar bet Rusland di geld, wat Engeiaud bet?
Seker ni ! mar fergeet ni : ili stryd sal op di land we'es, en ni op
·JiH~ ni. Wat kan Engeland met
·syn fioot doen ?
Haar kolonies ferdedig, en feg op
s e ,
waar sy mar kan.Di eer ffln Engeland moet ge-
! handbaaf worde, kos wat wil.
Dit sal an al t.we kante bloed en .geld kos.
3de SAMESPRAAK.
Dit is wat ek ferwag bad : 'n Dagfaarding. Ek sal foor di magistraat moet ferskyn.
W aarvoor P W at bet jy ge- :maak!
Dia
om
di ellendige jong.Wat bet jy fir hom gemaak P Ek bet hom 'n dedelike drag sla :gege.
Mar jy weet : jy mag di wet ni dn jou ye hande neem ni.
Ek weet dit al te goed ; mar dit is nou so. Ek bet kwaad geworde -om syn brutalityt. Ek
se
fer hom:loop fan my af ; in plaas fan Wtg
te gaan, kom hy nader, en wys syn 'finger. Dir. w. s fer myn te feul ;
-~'1 di res Wlet jy.
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Rusaia wants to ha~"e Her:.t ~
England ~ill not let ber have it ; both powers are preparing for a hard struggle.
Russia has advantages, which Eng-land has not.
You mean : Russia is nearer to the scene of action : right Pnongh ; but has Russia the mon• y, which England has ?
Certainly not.! but don't forget:
the strn!!gle will be on land, and not on the sea. What can Eng- land do with her fleet ?
Def<,nd her colonies, and fight on sea, wherever she can.
Englands honor must be main- tained at any cost.
It will cost on both sides blood and money •
3rd DIALOGUE.
Th,tt's what I expected : A summons. I will have LO appear before the magistrate.
What for ? What have
you
done?
It is because of that miserable
boy.
What did you do to him 7 I !.'ave him a thorough good thrashing.
But you know ; you may not take the law in your Pwn hand11.
I know iL but too well ; but it is nnw so. I got angry because of his impudence; I told him: go away from me; ard instead of goiug aw~y. be came nearer, ana threatened ffi(:'. That was too much for me, and the rest you know.
Gaan jy 'n agerJt neem ? Het
j7
getnig'e?Ek het getui'e, en tk sal 'n agent neem.
Wanneer moet jy foorkom?
Aanstaande Donderdag.
W atter agent gaan jy neem
P
Mnr. M.\Y aarom ni liwers Mnr. W. ni P Hy is 'n slimme man ; hy is di man fir ons magistraat ; hy is d11nig gefat ; hy sal ni lig 'n saak ferliis ni, as d,,ar enige kans is.
E.Jk
hoor hom di ander dag 'n saak ferdedig. Di magistraat het hom 'n pluimpi gege fir syn bekwame ferdediging.Sal jy hom siin P Ja, fanaar:d,
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Wil jy fir hom fra om myn saak te neem?
l'it sal ek rloen; en ek is seker, jy sa 1 met hom tefrede wees.
Hoe het jou saak afgelor'p ?
·Hed goed. Ek het 'n kleinig-
kr icl betnal, en myn jong het 'n deedlike skrobering gehad.
4de SAM ESPRAAK.
Watt<r papiir leg daar op di tafcl ? o, Dis seker 'n dagraar- rling fan di Hoge Gerrgshof.
Bk dink so ; di papiir bet Ynn effcn gotom.
Wanueer sal di ~aak foor di Koert. 'kom ?
. Fandaz o'tr ] 4 da:, e.
Ek 1wop mar. jy sal jon .saak wen.
Are you going to employ an~
ag nt? ba,·e yon witntSSl'S ? 1 have witn sscs, and I will employ an agent.
When have you to appear?
Next Thuraday.
Which agent are you going to· employ·?
Mr.M.
Why not rather Mr. W. P He is a clever man; he's a good match for our magistrate ; he is very sharp ; he will not easily loose &
case if there is any chance. I heard him the other day defend a case. The magistrate made him a. compliment on hil! able defence.
Will yon see him P Yes, to-night.
Will you ask him to take my case?
I will do it, and I am sure, you will be satisfied with him.
How did your case came off?
Very well. I paid a n ere tritle; an.J my boy got a good reprimar,d.
4th DIALOGUE.
What paper is there on the ta- ble? 0, to be sure, that is a summons from the Supreme Court.
I think so: that po~per has just now come.
When hHs the caf:'e to come before the Court ?
· To-d8y furtuight.
I ouly hope, that yr u will win.
your ca:<f'.
Di-te'enparty het diselfde wen~, 1 diselfcle hoop.
Fan 'n koert~:~aak is 'n meni nooit 81;ker ni.
Di wet i;; 'n 'Onseker ding.
Om het daarcm 'n goete adfo- kaat.
Dis waar ; mar 'n mens kan fals sweer oek ; met geld ka~ jy
allrs do
e n ;
daar is mar min mel!se,wat God frees.
Wen of fel'loor, dit sal 'n goeie klomp geld kos.
On~ het daarom geld om te be- taal ; mar als di ander ferloor hoe
betaal hy?
Dit moet hy self weet.
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So het ons dan di SEtak ferloor.
Ja; fit· dit ogenblik. fir di teen- wocrrl ige. Dt saak kan 1\'eer !CG!'·
kom.
Gaat jy di weer focrbreng;
0 ja I En sec;: ek hoop met beter uitslag.
Hoekom l:et jy dit ferlocr ? Ons kon ni skade bewy~ ni tot foldoening f<tn di Koert.
llodeul het. jy moet betaa1?
Aghonderd pond ~Lerling.
WaL 'n trop ge!J!
Alles i; g9ed, '"ar. goe:1 yndig.
Is jy :;~ker, jy ml dt sas k nou wen?
Ek j;; heeltemal Eek·.'r daarfan.
Di Rq;ter5 'Vret.: myn saak is goed ; m:1r hnlle moet gaan follens
gE>t.uigenis.
Ek het nou myn sa~K gewen.
Fel'IYCt'l'~ler het syn rh111S an my ferko p, omdat hy ni kon h<-taal ni. ]li ergernis is 1:vu r~· 'n end.
The other part.y has Lne same wish, the same hope.
You can nrver be sure of a Court case.
Law is an u":eertain thing.
We h~ve a good advocate, though.
That' is trur ; but people may swear falee ; witt money you can do anything ; there are but few people, who fear _God.
Whether we win or loee, it will ccst 1 geed deiii 1 of money.
We baH money to pay thrmgh;
but it the other loses, how will h~
pay?
.1 Thar. i~ hi;: owr~ look out ;
l
He CY.t;s: know thal hims lf.Sc b;," we then 'o::t the case.
Y "'" for tb~ moment, for the
pres-~t. 'l'he case cao come 011 ag.;,r::.
Are ysu going tll bring it on agai:i P Or. ye~ ! And as I hope, with betw· nsnlt.
Hew did you lose it?
Wf.' could not pro1e damnge
t.
the >aciofacticn of tlw Court.
He" much had you to pay?
Eigbt hunc!J·ed pounds skrling.
What. a lot of money!
All is well that ends w, 11.
Are you s:ue you will win the
cas~ now?
I am quite sure of it.
The judges know : my case ia good ; but they have to go ac- . cord ng to evidence.
I have now gained my case.
Defendant solrl me his farm, be- cause he could not pay. '.the bother is now at all. enll.
'5de SAM ESPRAAK.
W aar gaan jy na toe ? Ek gaan na di tronk toe.
Wat maak?
Ek ~aan om A te siin.
Is hy in di tronk? Wat h•
~1 gemaak?
Ek boor, dat hy syn
frou JDil.
laandel het in syn dronkenskap.
En is dit waar ?
Syn frou en skoonfader
hat
teeDl.om
gesweer.Hoe lang moet by daar bly
P
Dri weke ; en behalwe dit 1 hJ moet twe borge breng om syn 1'111
te hou fir 6 maande.
Gaan jy borg staan ?
Ja; en jy moet di ander borg
WeeJI. Oos kan hom ni in di tronk
Jaat
bly ni.N ou goed : ek sal borg wees.
lder 10 pond.
Heel goed ; mar ge hom
'n
goeie wHarskuwing.
Dit sal ek doen ; ek •·erseker jon.
Hoe gefal jon di trouklewe, Andries'?
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Sleg genoPg ! J y moet fir my tog ni hiir laat bly ni ; ek kan dit hiir ni uithou ni, ek gaan dood, as ek biir dri weke moet bly ; fir 2 pond kan jy fir my nit kry.
Is dit di bot~te?
Ja ; mar ek het ni geld ni.
Fk kan .ton nithaal, mar dan fcrloor ek myn twe pond.
Ek sa.! di gell weer tern!! betaal.
'En moet ·y rlan ni G maande di
~rede b~11a<t: ni?
5th OIJllLOGUE.
Where do you go to P I go to the prison.
What for?
I
go te seeA.
Is
be in prisonP
What . _J.
doneP
I
hear that whi~clnank Ill . . treated
hiswffe. .
Ia that a fact P
His wife and father-in-Jaw
non
against him.
How long has he
to
remain P Three weeks ; and besides this 1 he has to bring two sureties to keep the peace for S months.Are you going to be surety P Yes ; and you must be the other one. We cannot leave him _ ia prison.
Very well ; I will be mrety.
10 pounds each.
Very well, but give him a
good
warning.I will do that, I assure yoq.
How do yon like prison life, Andrew?
Bad enon~h I Dont let ~e
remain here ; I cannot stand 1t here, I will die, if I have to remain here three weeks ; for £2 you can take me out.
Is that the fine ?
Yes; but I have got no money.
I can take yon out, but then I lose my £2.
I will pay you the money back.
nut are yon not to keep tile
p ·ace for tJ montbs ?
Ja. mar kan jy dan ni bor"'
· staau ni, s•am met Karel ; ider
10
poncl.?
En as jy dan weer jou ou streke uithaal, dan moet ons betaal I
Mar ek sal ni : jy kan daar op
·reken.
As jy ni fan d1 crank afbly Di, . dan sal jy weer font maak.
Ek beloof, t'k sal oi.
<*jon hand I Morre sal jy loe kom.
Danki I
6de SAM ESPRAAK.
Het jy di nuwe Parlementshuil :gesiin?
Ja ; en dit is 'n siraad ftr di
·Hoofstad.
Mm duur genoeg I
J y kan ni 'n goeie gebou fir , weinig geld M ni.
Dis waar genoeg ! mar ons kon klaar kom met 'n gebou, wat mar half sofeul kos.
Dit is nou te laat ; dit staan daar al.
Ek weet ; mar as 'n I;Dan leef bo syn inkom, dan moet hy l an- h ut gaan.
Ons net di gebon op 'n wettige
m~ uiir ; di Parlement het fir di gtld ge»tem, di Raad het dit befes-
. tig eu di Gouwerment het di wtrk
uitgefoer.
Heel g'ed ; en non ferder ? N atuurlik, di land moet betaal.
Elke penning moet kom nit di . eak fat~ di belastinghetali:'rs.
In foorspoi!dige jare kao !Y iits
~oen ; mar ons bet sware t ye ge-
b~td ; en di sh gte tye is 1 og ni o'er oi.
•)'"
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Yes; but can you wot be m' surt-ty, together with Charles; £10 each?
4-nd if you turn to your old
practic~s again, we are to pay ! But I will not ; you may depend upon it.
If you dont abetain from drink ron will make the same fault.
I
promise, I will not.Give your hand upon it I To-morrow you will be released.
Thank you I
6th LIALOGUE.
ll:we you seen th@ new Houses of .Parliament.
Yes; and they are an ornament to the Metropolis.
But expensive enough ! You cannot have a good build- ing for little mor.ey.
That's true enough ! but we could do with a building, which would cost only half as much.
It is too late now ; it ~>tands
already.
I know ; but if a man lives abu1·c· his income, he must become a baukrupr,.
We have the building in a law- ful way ; Parliament voted for the money, the Council confirmed it, and Govern meut had the work carried out.
Very weil ; and further ? Of course the country has to pay.
Evt-ry pe ny has to come out of the pockets of r he ratepay· rs.
In prm,perous years one can do something; but we have had hard times ; and those h:rrd times are
LOt Jt·t 01·er.
Hou mar moed, ou frind ! jy hou alles en alma! fir sleg.
w
el ; t:k hoop een ding, en dit is : dat uiL di mooie gebou goeie wette mag kom, geskik fir di land, en feral dat di boer mag gehelp worde.Wat ons nodig bet, is 'n depar·
temer.t fan landbcu; on;~ is in oM Koloni 'n landbouwende folk en
di landbou moet angemoedig wordo.
Ek dink ; jy sal fanjaar jou wens kry.
Ons bet dit hoog nodig en daar ons tog spoorwege het moet di tryngeld so laag gemaak worde as molik is.
Daar is nog 'n ander ding : ons kry in di re'el re'en genoeg; mar di water loop weg in di se, in plaa~
fan in grote damme; ons kon di water n-utrig eebruik, mar on~ het ni almal geld om sulke damme te
ma~k ni.
Reg1 ig, jy praat as 'n ferstandige man.
7de SAM ESPRAAK.
Hou jy daarfan om met di tryn te ry ?
Ni bisonder feul oi. Ek ry liwers met 'n kar.
Ja; marditgaan ni sogouni.
Dis waar, mar di kar br,·ng jou, waar di tryn dit ni doen ni.
Dan kan jy mos mar 'n k:ar huur of 'n cab net!m.
Reg so ; mar hulle laat fir jou betnal.
Fir spoed is di tryn di best e.
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Keep courage old felll)w! you-, find fault with everything and··
everybody.
Well; one thing I hope, and' that is : that out of that fine - builrling may come forth gowl laws, tiL for the country and ]J'' cipf1lly that the farmer may assisted.
What we want, is : an agricul-_ tural department; we are in our Colony an agricultural people and a~;rtcult.ure mu~L be encourag~d.
I think : this year you will have your wisll.
We staaJ greally io need cf it and Eince we have ra[i<.v:qs the traffi:1-rates must be mad<! a~ low as possible.
There is still another thing : we get rain encugb. as a rule-; but the watH run~ off into the sea, instead o[ ir·to lare!·e Te~et"l'cir;; ; we cculd utilise that water but all of us ha'le no~ that mont·y to make such dams (reservoirs).
Really, you talk as a sensible man.
7th DIALOGUE.
f o yon like to trnYel by train ? ·
Not particnl.rly so. I rath2r· go by cart.
Ye;;; i ut it cloe~n 't go so 1n ickly.
That's true. but the cart brin~s
you where th~ tt'<Jill du s t~ot. - Then you can hire a cart or tah · a c<~b.
.Jnst so! but they make you·.
pny.
For speed the tra i 11 is d~ b ~t.
As 'n mens mar enkcle kere uit- gaan dan is di tryn ~el\er· di b~ste ; en feral, as tEt jon breng, waar .iy moct wecs ; mar as jy op ses, ~ewe
vetskillende plekke moet wees, 'n distansi fan 'n st r,si af, dan is di tryn fan gen nut ni.
Moet jy non met di tryn weg ?
J a,
ek moet Kaap toe.Bet jy di klokki ni gehoor lui ni 1 Ne, het jy?
Ja, net non; jy moet haas mask.
Goeien dag, BO lank 1
Sste SAM ESPRAAK.
ff, e kom jy su laat ·,
Daar ;s iits met di lryn gebeur·
Wat is daar gebeur?
Twe wa'ens het f,m di lyn af geraak ; en dit het ons omtrent 'n uur op_chou.
W aaromtrenr. ?
Tussen Stellenbos en Klapmuts, naby di junksi.
Is imand beseer ?
Ni so fer as ek weet ni ; ons het daar·om 'n goeie elmdding gekry.
Ret jy kan help?
Ek het 'n handrykir.g gege:
mar ek ferseker jou, ni te feulni, di dornkragte het goeie diins ge- daan.
En di Lokomotiif (fuurwa, ys- ter 1:Jerd) dan ?
Dit kan jy glo! Di ding het 'n fQrbasende krag.
Dit glo ek. Water en fuur, fer- enig het l.!rote krag.
Fuur ferte.er water ; water mank fum dood ; mar werk hulle sanm, dan do n !mile wor der~.
If o: e goes out only no\\' a: cf:
then, the train surely is the be~t ;.
lmt ~pecially, when it b1inl!'s yuu where you must be ; but if you ha1·e to be at six, seren d;fferen'·
places, a distance from a station,
~hen the train is of no use.
Must you go now by this train?
Yes, I mu~t go to C•1petown.
Did you r,ot hear the bell ring P · No; did y1:.u?
Yes, just no1·: ; you must make haste.
Goodbye, so long !
8th
DIALOGUE.
'Whn t maInS you w lutu ? Something has h:1puemd to the traiu.
What has h::ppcncd ?
'J'I\'o c~ni;:gc,; carne off thn lit;e;
a1 d 1 his dl tained us for abont an hour.
·whereabout ?
Between Sttl'enbosch and Klap- muts, near the junction.
Is :;v ybody hurt?
Not as far as I know ; we got a· good shaking, though.
Could you assist ?
I gaYe a bel ping hand : ~ut I assure you, not too much, the ]''yks did good senice.
And the Engine then ?
Yon ma;: bq ~ure of it. That thing has a wonderful power.
I believe yon. \Yat r and fire, combined lni\·e great powe1·.
Fir:e corsnme~ water; W<Jter e'I·
t:'Jl~nish· s fire : but wl en they-
w>~rk togecher. they do wonders.
9de SAME·3PRAA~.
He~ jy !.:Csiin di beskrywings·
punte fer di a .mtaande Bonds·
kongres?
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Ja, ek siin bulle wil nog mem·
~poorwege he, fanr Vidoria We~
na Carnarvon en h.cnhard, fa., dt Aar na Prieska. fan eli ho ·flyn na Sutherland, en fan Syfcrgat 1la
Vermaak !:;ta~i \\'Ord by di Bonri foorgestel. 1\far dan wurd uuit~n·
.diin nog foorge31el 'n lyn na Calc- ,don, en fan .Malmesbur y na PJket-
berg en Clanwi'lliam, ens.
Eers het hnlle di Bondsmanne ferwyt dat hulle gen spocrwege wou M ni, mar non lyk dit amper of hnlle na elke pl~as toe 'n spoor- weg wil he. l\.lar waar moet di geld fandaan kom? Dit sou ek wel wil weet.
A, uit Engeland, waar ons di _geld geluy het fer di ;rndere ~poor
weO'e wat ons al gebuu beL. Daar 16 ~eer geld in ~~ngeland as bulle raad me \l"eet. En ons Kuloni bet grote krediit daar, ons kan geld _l!:ry fir dri en 'n halwe persent rente nou.
Ja, mar di rente moet daarom betaal worde, en sal di spoorwege :wel betaal P Ek is mar bang dat
_.QDS arrne belastingbetalers di rente .wat kort kom sal moet by betaal.
Ne wat, en ons spoor>~·ege bet dan in di diinsjaar 1895 opgebreng
7t
persent, en in di diinsjaar 1896v 8t
persent, sodat ons anderhalf ,miljoen pond per jaar o'erhou.Ja, mar sal dit altyd so duuri'
· Ons
meeste Iyne b t .• al ni. Dis mardi deurfoer na Transvaal wat 110 goed betaal, en daarin neem di9th DIALOGUE • . '
Have you seen the differen\
points for discussion at the ensu- ing Bond Co:~gres ?
Yes, I notice 1hey ask for more railways; from Victoria West to Carnarvon and Kenbard, from the Aar to Prieska, from the trunck line to Sutherland, and from Syfer- gat to Fermaak Station is proposed in t~e Bond. But besides a I i ne to Caledon and a line from :Malmes·
bury to Piquetberg and Clanwil- liam is proposed, bt sides others.
Formerly the Bondsmen were called retrogressive, because they were considen d opposed to rail·
way construction. Now on the contrary it appears as if they want a oil way to be huilt to e'ery farm.
But whence is the money to come?
That is what I should like to know.
Well, in England, where we got the money for the other railways which we have already built. There lies more capital in England thaD they can invest. And our Colony has large credit there, we can get money at three and a half per cent. interest now.
Yes, but the interest must be paid, and will these railways
pay
P I am only afraid that we poor tax- payers will have to pay up the aeficit in the interest.· No fear, in the financial :year 1895, our railways earned 7t per cent., and in the financial year 1896 even
st
per cent ' so thatwe
have a surplus of a mill;on o.nd a' half sterling per annum.
Yes, but will that last for always P Most of our lines do not pay.
n
is only the Transvaal traffic that pays RO well, and iu this there is a
spoonvege fan l'elagoa en Xntal a!mal fan ons deurfoer af.
Ja, on maat, mar in di toekoma kan ons ni siin ni, daarom praat' oos mar fan di teenwoordige.
lOde SAM ESPRAAK.
Ek siin di Getjarderde Maat- achapyy bou di spoorweg nou deur fan Mafeking na Bula'wayo en fan Beira na Salisbury oek.
Ja, bulle ~Rhodesia is 'n prag- tige land fer landbou en feboer- dery, en di land is ryk an goud, st-enkool en andere mimrale oek.
Mar dit Ie te f8r fan di
se
af, en moet dus met spoorwege geopen worde.Mar non is di fraag watter fan di twe lyne ~;;al di meeste te ferfoer kry, di fan Kaap o'er Mafekiog na 'Bulawayo of di fan Beira ua Salis- bury.
Dit hang gedeeltelik af fan di afstand, en dan oek fan acdere
oorsake. · ·
W atter is di kortste afstand faD di se af (
A, Beira is baing nader as di Kaap. In 'n regte lyn is dit
fan di Kaap fan Beir
na Bnlawayo 1,150, 400 my na Salisbury 1,400, 270 ,
Mar foeg nou :25 pers>mt hiirby fer di kronkelinge fan di spoor-
, weg, dan kry jy-
fan di Kaap fan Beira
na Bulawayo 1,450, 500 myle, na Salisbury 1,75~, 350 , ·
Mar dan is dit mos at te f~r fan di Kaap af, dan sal di Beira spoor- wcg mos al !li ferfoer kry.
s'rong competition in tl1q railwa,r lines from Delagoa and Natal,- taking away our traffio gradually Yes, old chum, but we cannot.
tee into the future, so we talk onir·
of the present.
lOth DIALOGUE.
I see
the Chartered Company·now construct the line from Mafe-- king to Bulawayo and from Beil'a'·
to
Salisbury also.Yes,
theysay
Rnodesiaia • ·
splendid country for agriculture and cattle farming, and the country· is rich in gold, coal and other· minerals. But it is too far distant· from the coast, and must cone&-··
quently be opened by railways.
But ~he question is whichof the·
two lines will get mortl traffic,.
that from the Oape via Mafeking to Bula.wayo, or that from Beirw to Salisbury ?
This depends partially upon the distance, but also on other circum- liltances.
Which is the shortest distance from the sea coast ?
Oh, then Beira is much neare·· than Cape Town. In a st1aigh
from the Cape from Beira
to Bulawayo 1,150 400 mil( s·
to Salisbury 1,400 270 , But add 25 per cent. to this for the curves of the rfl.ilway, then·
you get-
from the Cape from Beira
to Bulawayo l ,4.">0 500 miles to Salisbury 1,750 350 ,,
But thea it is too far from the
C::>.~e and the Beira line will get all thP t-raffic.
J..t, rn<ll' daarom hd d; ~-l'~e.
.ibar is an 'ere oor~a\;c ook ·waanne ,_ons mo t re\c iug hou.
Wat andere oorsake dan?
. Fereers di moeilikhyd fan di
·tCrryn Wit'll'~angs di spoorwPg lonp Di Kaapse lyn g,tan o'er 'n gelyke en waklike tcrryn, wat min kos
.1>111 t.:. bon en )L • wr-rk, lerwyl eli
Beira lyn ecrs o'er '"n fta';te lo·>p wat jllarliks o'cstroom word en dan . deur mceilik~ berge, en daarby is
.dit ongesond ook.
En W.Lt me:r?
Di' tyd 1..-at o~k in aanmerkinr;
_geneem worde. Di me'3ste ~k<'pe
·t<om non fan Engeland na di Kaap, sOdat fer pcrsone en goe~ dit eli .gouste is om o'er eli Kaap te gaa.n.
En wat nog fcnler ?
Di Kaapsu hawes word goei
.bestuur, mar B, ira bchoor au di
Portugcse, en hnllt: is mar 'u bitji . lanksaam en lastig 0111 me te wert.. b daar nr·g meer o'e1 wegiu~~ ? o .Ja, f'e1skye, rk sal nog mar . .een noem. Kaby Bulalnlyo is goeie steen kool o.utdck, en so fer as ons weet an di Beira lyn ni.
En dit se baing om 'ulyn goedkoop te werk.
·w
at is dan jou gedagte om trent . di waarskynlike ferfoer fan di twelyne?
Ek dPnk fereers sal di Ka~pse
lyn di ft'rfocr kry na Bulawayo fer Matabelelat.d en di B, ira lyn di Jan Salisbury fer Ma;;honaland.
Hoefer is dit fan Bula ,·a yo na :Salisbury ? Sal di lynda n ni later :tusseu eli twe vdnin wo: rk ni ? }
Ye~. but f,Jr thi,: r. a;,on I ~aid
there ill"· other can'e' too that
mu:;t be takeE into co r;iderasion What other causes then?
First-the difficulties of the conn- tries traversed· by the lines. The Cape line travers~:; a !~vel and eaoe tract of country, where the line is cl).eaply constructed and ex,gloited, whilst the Beira line tral'el·ses first a flat country yearly inundated and then a mountanous tract, mO\·eover this part of the country is un- healthy.
And what "!DOre ?
Time is another consideration.
Most steamers now ccme from
En~land to the Cape, so that it is savmg of time for passeng·ers a:Jd goods taking that route. -
And what further still
t
The Cape harbours are properly managed. But Beira bt•longs to the Portuguese, and they are some· what slow and difficult to treat with . Are there any IDOl't consider· ations ?o Yes, severaL but I 1rill only mention one more. Near Bul~·
wayo good coal has been discoYercd, and as far as we know this is not the case on the Beira line, and this is a great consideration fur the cheap working of a line.
What then is your idea as to the probable traffic of tht se two line~? .
Well, I think for some time the Capa line will get th~ traliic ro Bulawayo for :Matabeleland, and the Beira line that to Salisbury for Mashonaland
How far is it from Buhtwavo to Salisbm·y? Will the line bct''':err- theltwo n•1t be joined?
\Yaarskyulik later; bain~ sal
· afhang fan di ontwikkeling fan di land, f, ral fHn di g~n1dfelde.
Dus sal ons daarom oek wel ons dael in di ferfot r kry.
Seker en ftl" 0118 kan di ope- . nin~· fan di TJoorde gen kwaad doen ni, maar goed; want. alle fermeer- . deriug fa-11 f, rfoer laat ons lyn
beter betaal en di ftrleuging word
·mos ni met ons geld gebou ni, mar . deur di getjitrtende M.tmtschappy.
I ide SAM ESPRAAK.
W at is jou godsdiins ?
Ek is 'n lid fan di Engelse Kerk. ~Jar a~ jy fer my fm, dan -f6t t>k f, r jou oek: an waLLer kerk
behoor jy?
An di Gcrcformeerde Kerk.
Jy mccn : di Nederduits Gere- Jormcenle Kerk?
Ne; di ·• Dopperkerk" is myne.
1::: dit di kcrk, waar lmlle gen
·Gcsange sing ni?
Reg !::O!
Hoc feu! kerke mag daar 'vel in -di wereld wecs ?
Hnlle is legio.
Ek ilt:t 'n neef, w3t an gen kerk behour ni.
T!-i tl\· " dan 'n !!Odio!::enaar? ,_ '-
N.··: h,· i~ 'n buitcn~cwoon god-
~alige ma~1. ~ Ho.· is ll<l mo~ik!
.En log i~ dit. 80:
G:!:~n hy •lan nooit. kerk toe ni?
:\l·: IJ\' fi\ d~,:lr i~ mar
e cn
kerk in ,]j n,:bd : Cl; ·lit is : eli Ge- tn• cnte ,:an di lew.,nde God; hy~ : hy Leh .or an di kerk. ·
Yes, probably later; much ·wi!J depend upon the development of the country, especially of the Gold Fiel!ls.
Thns
we will alsoget
our share of the traffic also ?Ccrtai,Jy, and the opening up of the nonh cannot do us any harm, but only good ; for every incr. ase of tndfic makes our line~
pay better, besides the extension i~
not b_uilt by ou~ money, but throng h the Chartered Company. .
llth DIALOGUE.
What is your religion !
I am a member of the Eng\'s.h Church. But if you ask me,
,J
ask you also : What church rJ., you belong to ?
'L'o the Refot·med Church.
You mean: the Dutch RefortJie•l
Church? ·
No; theDopperChurch is l!JitJ•·
Jr.; that the cl.utch whereiu til y
sing no hymns ? Just so I
How many churches may t" c.t·
be in the world ? They are legio.
I have u cousin. who belon!.!- ••
110 church. ·
h he ~hen an atheist
r
1'\6; he is an extrao!"Ji~>:fl·;~
devout tll:lll, ·
flow iR that possible ?
~till ~o it is.
Aud t1ocs he n•,n.:r go to clmrc!J ? No: h · sav~. l;het\' i~ but 'tw church iu lhl~·llii.M: and tim: i~;
the IChun.:l1 of the li,·itJ~ Gocl: h•:
say,; : lle bclun:;s to liwf church.
12de SAMESPAi\K.
..
Ferrolg.'n ~fens kan o'ergodsdiinstig wees.
Ja; mar nooit te gehoorsaam an di gebode fan God ni.
Wei, ek denk: liifde is di fer·
naamste.
Ek glo dit oek ; mar waar ia Jiifde son ier hoop ? en waar ia . hoop sonder geloof ?
Di dri is net as wortel, boom en fmg.
Jy kan ~ wat jy wil; mar ek hou dit daarfoor dat Gristus te M di hoofsaak is ; di wat di Soon het, bet di lewe. Souder !"eloof is dit omr.olik om God te be haag.
Ek weet heel goed opmiis fer- ski! ; mar ek mas se wat ek glo.
Ek het dau gen objeksi teen ni ; mar wees so frindelik om oek te hoor wat ek te
se
het.Gaan an I laat fir my boor.
13de SAM ESPR/\AK.
Ma, moet ek skool toe g:a.:'tn ? Sek,·r, mi j n kind !
Kan ek dan ni mar tuis bly ni, Ma?
Ne, myn liwe! Waarom wil jy iuis bly
r
Ek ken ni al myn Jesse ni, Ma!
Dan mo8t :y hulle mar gougou leer, myn Kind!
Myn le~~e is al te groot, Ma I ~
J y moet tuar jou bes doen, Jan I
.Wa~t·.r le~;seken jy nog ni?
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12th DIALOGUE .
Conhnuerl.
One can be orer religious.
Yes; but never too obedient to-•
the commandments of Goj.
W el, I think : love is the prU.
oipal thing.
I believe that too ; but where is love without nope l' and where il hope without faith
P
Those three are just aa root, Vel:
and fruit.
You may say, whatever yon like"
but I have it so, that : to have Christ is the principal thing ; be- that has the son, has life. With- out faith it .s impossible to p1ease- God.
I know very well opimons differ 1 but I may say what I b. l eve.
I have no objection to that;
but be kind enough to hear also- what I hare to say.
Go on! let me hear.
13th DIALOGUE •.
Ma. musl I go to school ' Yes, my child!
May I not r TUain at home, Ma ?'-
No, my love f\'by will you re- main at home ?
I don't know all my lessons, 1\Ia!
Tbrn you must 1, a· n them quickly, my child !
My le~sons are much too large, Ma!
You mu>t tr:Y your be>t, John !:
Which lessons do yon not know ?
Ek ken myn Ta1'kunde ni, JTa!
En hoe i~ dit met eli an 'cr Jesse ?
Di ken ek .neer of miri.
Mar meer of min sal ni gaan ni.
Waarom bet jy dan ni beter geleer ni?
Ek het giste1 te lank gespeul, Ma.
En non wil jy tuis bly, dis mos n dubbde fout, gister te lank ge- speul, en fandaag wil jy tuis bly.
Ne, myn kind, neem jon boeke en leer jon Ieese ; ek sal jon help, en jy gaan skool toe.
~.:;
I don't know my Gr,1mm:o·.l\L1
r
And what about the other ]e.;;- sons?
I know them more or less.
But more or less will not do.
• Why did you not learn better ? I have played to long yesterday, Mal
And now you want to remain at borne, that is wrong a~ain, yester- day you played too long, and to- day you want to remain at home.
No, my child ! take your books and learn your lessons ; I will help you, and you go to school.
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... , ... , ...14de SAMESPRAAK.
Fervolq.
Het jy men·~er N. gesiin?
Ja, ek het by hom angegaan.
En wat seg hy fan Jan?
Hy klaag, dat by syn Jesse tuis ni goed leer ni.
En bet jy fir hom jou gedagte gese?
J a, ek bet fir hom gese, dat hy te feullesse
ge ;
mar hy was glad ni tefrede ni. Ek het hom uit- geleg, wat 'n ondenoyser is, rlat hy moet onderwj;s ge; by mo~.t me- dee! wat by self weet ; boeke is helpers,mai·
gen ondern·ysers fli ;~ k het hom duit lelik g,
se ;
ek be- taal ti.r· onderzcys.Ja, myn liwe man, ek glo waar-- lik hnllc neqm dit te gemakh lik ; bulle o'erhoor di !esse ; maak 'n panr anrnerkings en stnur di kin-
der~ hnistoe met meer Jesse.
'n (;o,·ie nnde1'11·y~c,. i:; hoo_~ te waanJ, t·r. l'll !roo~ t•· ee'.
14th DIALOGUE.
Cont-inued.
Have yon see11 Mr. X. ? Yes, I have culled upon him.
And what does he say ab,,ut, John?
He c::nnplains that lw cioe~ H•)t
learn his lessons well aL hmna.
And have yon girr:a him yout•
opinion?
Yes, I t::>1<1 him t.!tat he gin~s too many lessons ; but Lc wa.:; no~
at all pleased. 1 expbiuen to hitn:
what is a teacher; tlr:-:i; ht' oughr.
to ft!Wh., he slwulc1 Clll\llUU 11iC~llt~
what he knows himse!f: book:s are helps, bnt, no lear.ltr-rs. I told him disticctly 1 pay for iilst·!'udioJi ..
Yes, my dc:u· hnsl,:md, 1 trnly believe t'uy rake it t,on easy ; they h-ar tlre lvsson:'. mal;c :t few re··
markE, and St;nd tlre children home with more lc10sons.
A goot1 t•achct is higl:ly tn be ap·
preciatcd. an 1 highly tube honoured
·1·
f
15de SAMESPRAA.K.
Wat is dit orntrent Frywillig Beginsel op di skole ?
Ek boor, daar word feul o'er gepraat ; oek het. sommige nuws- blade di saak opgemem.
F.:rstaan jy di fraa;stuk ?
Ek denk ja. Sommi~e mense wil, dat di Gouwerment gen toe- ]aag meer moet ge fir di sl!ole ni ; dat di oners fir di ond1~rwya fan bulle kiuders moet sorre sonder Sta~ts ou :ersteuning.
Di
Gouwerment kan ni fan di een neen1 en fir di ander ge oi.Alma! moet bet aal, mar almal trek gen foordeel fan geld, fir skole gege, ni ; bulle denk, dit is onbillik.
Denk jy, dat godsdiins iits met di fraagstuk te doen het?
Ek denk seker so. Daar is 'n getal gristene, wat ni tefrede is met
•n half uur godsdiins-ondenvys in di skole ni; hulle wit he go•lstliins- onJerwys geJurende al Ji skoolure.
16de~SAM
ESPRAAK.
F('rvolg.
0, ek siin : hulle mnak onoer- Ekyd tu5schen godsdiins-onderwys in di skoolgebou, en tussen gods-
diinsti~ onclerwys in eli skoolure.
Ja ! hulle
se ;
godsdiicstig-on-dcrwys in di hui~ Eln in di kerk.
Mar snlke skole is lJIOS ni goed fir .Jode en 1\lah"mt•cht.e ni; oek JJi fir De' !:lte en Ate'tste ni,
15th DIALOGUE.
·what. is 1t about. tilat Voluntary Priucip!e ·in t be schno!s ?
I !tear, thl'y ~peak much ahout it ; some papers also have taken np the matter.
Do you understand that f[tll.'!-
tion?
I think so. Some people want, that Government shall rliscontinne to support the schools; that parents shall provide for the instruction of their children without Government support.
Government can't take from the one and give to the othel'. .All must pay, but all are not benefitted by the money, given to the schools;
they think that is unreasonable.
Do you think that religion bas anything to do with that qnestion?
I certainly think so. There is a number of christians, not satis- fied with half, an hour it.strnction io reli)!ion in the school, they want religious instruction during all the school hours.
16th DIALOGUE.
Continued.
Oh, I see : they make a differ·
ence between instruction in reli- gion in the school-room, and reli- gious instruction during the school- hours.
Yes! they say : religious in- struction in the school, and instruc- tion in religion at hoa;e and iu the church.
BuL such schools will not do for .Jews a11d Mahomeda·,s; neid1er fvr Deists nor Athtists.
Seker ni. :Mar net so min is di
<Gonwerment skool goed fir di soort .:gristene.
En denk jy, bulle sal bulle wens kry?
Ni so gou ni ; mar as hulle fol-
•llou, nes Mr. Solomon met syn Frywillig B~ginsel in di Kerk, dan
·kom dit so.
Daar staat niks gelyk met fol-
;; ha!:ding ni ; of di saak goed of
· sleg is, jy kry jou sin ; net mar -hou fol, 'n Gesond beginsel sal yndelik dettrgaan ; aileen bet ge-
·-dnld; dit is 'n kwessi fan tyd.
J y is heeltemal reg.
17de SAMESPRAAK.
itrl jy belang in politike vraag- . stnlke?
Ja ; mar ek neem gen werksaam
• andeel daarin ni, myn tyd word met andere dinge opgeneem.
J y we~t tog fan di Afrikaner Bond?
0, ja. ek hoor, wat di Bonds~;
· ek siiu, wat hy doen ; mar ek is , gen lid daarvan ni.
Mar jy is sekerlik 'n lid fan di Ryksbond?
Nc, di is al lHnk dood. Ek is 'n Kolonis, en Htel 'n gr -te belang in di wclfaart tan di Koloni, en fan Suid Afrika in aigemeen. Ek
'net mcer te doen m;t eli edukasi
fan ons fulk, maatskappclik en geest(;lik, meL lawlbou eu feboer- dcry n.s met pohtiik.
'Mar jy het claarom tog 'n opini -omtrcut politikc fra~gstukke?
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Certainly not ! But just as little is the Government scho 1 fit for that kind of christian!!,
And do you think they will have their wish?
Not so soon ; but if they perse- vere, as Mr. Solomon did with hi:'!
Voluntary Principle in the Church, then they will have it,
There is nothing like perseve- rance, whethei: the case be goo
1
or sad, you gain the day ; only persevere. A sound principle will finally triumph, only have pati-
enc~ ; it is a question of time.
You are quite right.
17th DIALOGUE.
Do you take an interest in pdi""
tical questions?
Yes, but I don't take an active part in it, my time is occupied with other things.
You know about the Africander Bond?
0, yes, I hear what the Bontl
B1tJS ; I see what it does, but I am no member of it.
But certainly you are a member of the Empire League?
No, that is defunct long ago. I am a Colonist, and take a g-reat interest in the prosperity of the Colony, and of South Africa in general. I have to do more with the educ 'tion of our people, social and spiritual, with agricnltme and cattle breejing than with politics.
But surely you have an opinion en political qu·.stions?
Yes, I have.
••
Son jv graag di Koloni in di bande siin fan enige· at dere Enro- }'ese mogendhyd, behalwe Enge- h1nd?
Ne; ek is tefrede so as dit is.
l8de SAM ESPRAAK.
"'at. deuk jy fan ons Naturelle politiik?
Ek denk, di kan in betere hande wees, di Eng else Gou wermeut bet gen behoorlike kennis fan di natu- relle ni. Ons moet weet, hoe met bulle te handel. Hulle is 'n ge- ringer klas mense: jy;kan dit goed siin in hulle ye Iande. Gaan na een fan hulle dorpe en fergelyk daarme een fan ons stede of dorpe, en dan sal jy siin wat 'n ferbasenae onderskyd.
Dan wil jy se OU!'l moet hulle uitroei en hnlle grond neem ?
Waarlik ni! Hulle kan onder ons woon en geniit di foordele fan ons beskawing.
Dit sal tog so kom in fer loop fan tyd. Di sterkste gees regeer ; gen getalle ni. Di foortreffel i 1, ste gees is meester.
19de SAMESPRAAK.
Gaan ons in di Koloni fooruit of ~.gt~rnit ?
'[n ons geldelike sal;e en nywPr- byd oe11k ek, gaan ons fo,rnit, mHr met ons Ia ndbou en f6boer- dery is dit mar treurig ge,:teld, denr di filloksera in rli wit•Q"•·rde, di runderocs onder eli becste en andere plage.
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\\' ould you like to see the Colony in the hands of any other J-;nro- pean power, except England ?
No; I am satisfied as it is.
18th DIALOGUE.
What do you think of our Native· Policy?
I think it could be in better· hands. The English Government has but an imperfect knowledge of the native population. We must know how to deal with them. They are an inferior class of people ; you can clearly see it in their own countries. Go to one of their villages and compare therewith one of our towns or villages, and then you will s~e what a tremendous difference.
Then you mean to say : we must exterminate them and take their country ?
Surely not! They can live amongst us and enJOY the privi- leges of our civilitation.
It will be so in course of time.
The strnn gest spirit rules ; lllllll •
bers are nothing. The superior minrl i~ master.
19th
DIALOGUE.
Are we, in the Colony, going forward or backll'ard?
As cone min~ our mnncy mnt- tfrs and industry 1rc p:·o~n'""· I think, btlG our a"ric:.:!~·~r· a:Hl cat.- t.le fHI'Illlll'~ ~ttll' I' t.:ll'.Jct.: It pl1yl- loxc a in tlw 1· 11 ;·a:·,;.·, rin.:,., j·• ""
:11110!\g.'~t C:lttit: a::•t <JLo.-: :,,,.,,,, '" S
-HJ f'nw fs soi!Llcr t1ryfo:l 'n gees fan fouruitg<~ng or er ous.
])i clrukpcrs docn grotP. di'nste . tot ontwikl<elin:: fan 011s folk, feral
di Pat1·iot en uns Klyntji.
Jy kan dnichlik siin ors meen om fooruit te gaan. Fan nywer- hycl gepnmt., jy het ~eker al eli
·' Afrika~1·se Fnmhontjiis" gesiin uit eli b briik fan l\Im. Ludolph ?
Ja, ek hec bulle perbeer.
En hoe find jy !"mile ? Bisonder goed !
W aar word lmlle gemaak ? In vVynbtrg.
Het jy di fabriik gesiin ? Ja; die is 'n yster gebou, en staan kort by di W ynberg goedere sta:si.
·20ste
SAMESPRAAK.
Ferjolg.
Koloniale nywerheid moet aan- gemoedtg worde.
Dit is oek myn ge·lagte ; en -meer by~:;onderlik as ons ye artikels Bet so goed is as di ingevoerde en net so goedkoop of goedkoper;
Het jy di adfert(lnsi gesiin fan Newman en Shirley, Klafiirmakers, ens., te Mowbray, by di Kaapstad?
Ni alleen gesiin ni, mar ek het -een fan bulle instrurnente ~ekoop,
. en t k moet se : dit is heel g· ed en goedkoper as di ingefoerde artikel.
Ek is bly om dit te hoor.
Ek hoorJ bulle sal baing ]dante ';kry.
There is. no doubt, a spirit
of
pr.,gres> amougst us.
The pr-ss does great s·~rvice,
i 11 ecTtwati,,g the people, especially the Prttnot and Ons 11 lyn(jt.
It is evident that we mean to p· ogress. ~peaking of industry:
J\o Jonbt, you have seen the '' • .\f- rican l\ta1 chrs" from the factory of Mr .. Ludolph?
Yes, I have tried them.
And how do you find them ? Particular:y good.
Where are they made ? In Wynberg.
Have you seen the factory ? Yes? it is an iron building and s:tuated close to the Wynberg goods heel.
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DIALOGUE.
Continued.
Colonial industry must be en- com·aged.
This is also my opinion, n ud more particularly so, when om own articles are just as gooJ as those imported and just as cheap or cheaper.
Have you seen the advertise-
. ment of N, wman & Shirley, Piano·
makers, &c., Mowbmy, near Cape Town?
I have not only seen it, but I have bought one of their instru·
meuts ; and I must say : it is very good and cht·aoer than the im-
port~d artie e.
1 am glad to hear that.
I hope they wil get many cus•
tomcrs.
Ek twyfel dnar ni an ni.
Ons goal te baing geld uit fir ,
;oed, wat ons self kan he.
I<'erbeel jou, dat ons £33,0()0 (dri-en-dertig duisend) pond ster·
.ing aile jaar uitge fir lekkergoed.
Meuse wat dit gebruik, moes by rli winkels fra na ons ye lekkers.
Ons bet mense wat dit maak. In di Kaapstad is 'n suikerbakker, cnder meer, wat di besighyd op 'n grote skaal drywe, in di Sir Lowry Weg; syn naam is J. J. Hill en Co., Stoom Suikerbakkery en Kom- fytmakers. Ons het hulle komfyt en lekkers geproef, en ons moet ~.
~}at dit regte goed is; ruim So goed ps di ingefoerde goed, as dit ni
~eter is ni.
Ons winkeliirs moet hulle goed nit ons ye fabriik order.
Dis jammer so feul geld gaat di land nit, wat ons hiir kan hon;
reken £33,000, dis ni 'n bitji geld ni .
.Ek glo baing mense weet daar ni fan, dat in ons koloni di dinge gemaak worde ni.
Di adfertensiis maak dit open- baar.
Adferteer is di grote saak, in idere nuwsblad.
En'wat ~ jy van Tentoonstel- lings?
Hulle is di reg:e ding. Hulle bet al groot nut g doen en s.d mt-er doen. Op di maniir siin ons wat ons me~~se kan doer.
Tot nog toe is ons f~r ~gter by Europa, mar na ferlo 1p fan eni~e jar.~ sal daar 'n grow feranderiug . ~nes.
50
I clout don bt it,
We st:ent I y far too much- money for things, we C•D have ourselves.
Fancy, we spent £33,000 (t:hirty•
three thousaud) pounds sterling yearly for sweets.
People who use these thir.ge·
should ask at the shops for our own sweets.
We have people who make it.
In Cape Town is a confectioner.
amongst others, who ie carrying on, this business on a large scale in Sir Lowry Road ; his name is Mr.
J. J.
Hill & Co., Steam Confec- tionery and Frnit Preserving' Works. We have tasted their preserved fruit and sweets, and we must say, it is very good ; fully as good as the imported articles, if not better.Our shopkeepers ought to mder their goods from our own factories.
It is a pity, so much mon~y
goes out of the country, that we could keep here. Fancy £33,000, it is not a small sum.
I believe that many people do not know, that such things are mace in Ol!l' colony.
Ad•·ertis~ments make. it public.
To ~dvertise is the great thing in every newspaper.
And what do you say abou!-- exhibitions?
Th yare the very thing. They haYe alrearly done a great deal of good ; and will do more ; by that we see "hat our people can do.
Hitherto we are far behind Enr• P'~ ; but aft r a few yearE- there will be a great, cha ge .
21ste SAMESPRAAK.
'l'erli" fan di mark, myn Sc nn ? Ja, pa! ek is al hiir.
l•;n jy is nog al in 'n goeie
humenr? .
Ja, pa ; ek het 'n ordentelike prys fir di artappds gtkry.
Hoefeul nog al P
Fyftiin silings en 6 pens (on lap).
Dis genoeg, myn kind ! Was 'n pond dan ni beter ni, pa?
~~k is heeltemal tefFede .met di prys, wat jy gekry het. Het jy opgelet, dat fir di laaste 12 maande di
pi
ys ni feu! ferskil ni, so fau 10 tot 15 sillinO's? Dit was eers ni so'ni ;
bulle llf6 : fgekom tot 3 en 4 siliugs en opgegaan tot e'er feer- tig silings.Hoe het dit gekom, pa ? Ek sal fir jou ~e
:
as di prysehoog is wil i~ereen plant ; eL so breng bulle te feul artappels in di mark ; en is di prys 'n bitji laag dan wil nima.nd plant ni. H nile jaag agter di boge pryse, en so fal di pryse, mu dis nou ni so ni, bulle plant as bulle kan, en ::s dit tyd is ; nou kom daar nooit b rt ni ; en daar is nooit so o'erfioedig ni. Di pryse gaat nou oek wei op
~n af ; mar ni soos froeger ni. El::
hou ai fan buitengewoon hc::e pryse ni ; middelmatige pl."ijse is di beste.
Is di prys fan eetware in Europa oek so fLranderlik?
Ne; di pryse is daar feul faster
·as hiir, aileen as d ·:.r 'n ".lgemeene misoes i!l, ryl!l di prys'J na ewere-
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21st DIALocug
f(,. Back from the market, my sou i'1 Yes, father! I am here :.!ready.
And you are in good spirits?
Ye~, father; I have got a rea~•
sonable price for the potatoes.
What prictl did you get ? F,fteen shillings and 6 pe:,ce. ~
That's enough, my boy I Was a sovereign not bett2r.,1
father? '
I am quite satisfi~d with
tee\
price you have got. H:we ycuj noticed it that for the last
121
months the prices have not d~f-1 fered much, from abc~t 10 to 11>. shillings ? Formerly it w:::.:J Dcti 1
so; they came down to 3 ar:d 4~
shillings, and went up more tb:::.~
forty shillings.
How was that father ? · I will tell you : when the prices1 are hiL,h every one will plant ; andi so they bring too many potatoc3' in the market: and when the: price is rather low, nobody cares; to plcnt. They run after high· price~, and so the prices
e-o
down,but it is not so now, they plant, whenever they can, and when it is the season ; now we never run1 short ; and we never have too much. TruP, the prices go even, now up aic'1 down ; but not at the1 same mte as befort>. I dou't li~e·
excessively hi~h prices; moderate prices are the best.
Are the prices of eatables ill Europe in the same way change·
abl:::? •
No; the pr.cet~ there M"e muca str adier than hert, u 'y w h..-'"1. th~ra is a gereral failure of crops, the
(L
l11·,]: mat· dan fuer hnllc in nit atHk.re 1:: llLk, <.:11 dit Lrc •. g di markIHJ~e af.
Pa, is ek rez, as ek se: di Iand- bou is di fcrnaamste besighyd m on:; I\o!oni ?
- Souder t"·yfcl, myn seun ! di grond mo. t bewerk worde ; ons woetalmal daarfan lewe. Weet jy ni .meer t.i, wat ons di ander dag gclees bet in Prediker 5 · 8 ? Di foordeel fan di aardryk is fir almal;
di koniog selfs wotd fan di feld gediind.
22ste SAM ESPRAAK.
Pa:,
kAn Pa fir my uitle hoe dit kom, dat oom Andries amper nooit · goeie oeste hd nir
Dis ni moeilik ni myn kind ; Di oom werk slodderig: syn ploege loop ni dii·p genoeg ni; hy is dik- wils buitenstyd~; hy ge syn grond
g~n mis genoeg ni ; syn saad is ni al te bcstig ni ; hy ken syn grond ni goed ni ; dis enigc fan di rcd~s, wa.uom hy ni slaag ni.
Ons moet docn wat ons kan.
Oekmag- ons di \\Cte simp ni gering rekbll ni. Dttar is 1nten:;kappelike manne, ons 'oem bulle aurJkun- dige ; bulle bestudeer J.i gr nd ; bulle weet wac daarin kon kou•, en
Fe
fir ons ll'at moet in kom; op·rli maniir hucf di
u
wr ui aileen teg~an by syn ye _ onderv[ttding ui;
ui wetettSkap kom hOill I e hulp; e!l dis 'u gr te se'en_, wat ons dauh bnar kan 0111 faug, en toe. voordeel ge · Lruik.
ni
\yetcns'•np, myn seu.n! hct g ot.e ford~r·' g getuaak in di laas,".It• ·nr!erd jaar ; en ons heuiit di 'frug daar, a<~.
prices rise in proportion ; but then they import from other eountries, anLt thus the market pri·c.s are broughL down.
Fathe1, am I right when I say : agriculture is the pt ineipal business in our Colony ?
No doubt, my son! the soil must be cultivated; we all have to live of it. Dont you remember more what we read the other day in Ecclesiastics 5 : 8 ? The profit of the earth is for all ; the king himself is serveJ by the field.
22nd DIALOGUE.
Father can you explain to me how it ha• pens that uncle Andrew very ~eldom bas a good harvest ? That is rot diHicult my son! that uncle is careless : his ploughs do not run deep enough; he is often untimely ; he does not give manure enough to his ground ; his seed is not the best : he does not know his soil well ; these are some of the reasons why he does not succeed.
We must do what we can, we may not undervalue science. There are scientific men, we call them geologists : they study the soil ; they know, what i& wanting in it, and tell us. what must be brought in ; in that way the farmer needs not to go only by his own experi- ence ; scienc·~ comes to his aid ; and this is a great b essing, which we th:.n, fully rccci ve, and use to advantage.
Science, my son! has made great
pro~re• s r1 uri ng the last century.;
and we enjoy the fnuts thereof,
Is dit .iou bl·kend, dat in Europa
·en Amerika bulle plueg masiius
:het ? Fuur en \\ atcr doen daar -wat eli perde biir doen. Boerdery .drywe, met masineri, spaa.r baing geld nit., tn di w~::rk word goner en boter ged<tan.
Jy k~n dit siin an di snymasiins
·en an di dorsmasiins. Dit spaar ni aileen feul geld uit ni ; mar di boer word meer onafhankelikfan handearbyd.
So gou as ons kan moet ons fir masiinwerk ingaan. Oerfloedig produkte laat goedkoop h\we en op di maniir kan ons di arbydslone lager breng ; en dit is fan feul belang fir ai foortbrenger.
23ste SAM ESPRAAK.
Ek hoor dat jy 'n paar koeie bet . om te ferkoop ; is dit so ?
Ja, meneer ! ses as jy wil he.
Ne, ek het mar een of tiVe nodig.
Laat qns na di stal gaan.
'n Mooi trap fmaie koeie! Hoe- feu! sal jy fir daar di koei fra?
0, jy wil di beste uit di trop hr.
Goeie dire is di goedkoo1 s u. .J y het reg, meneer !
Hoefeul wil jy fer di lwei h8 ?
Fiir-en-twintig pond.
Dis 'n goeie prys.
Hiir is 'n ander een; di km jy fir twe-en-twintig pond kry.
En a• ek alby neem ; hoefeul fit•
. -di twe?
'Vel, mene, r,
:u
t:n 22 maak 46.Is it ];:, own to you tnat in Europe and America they have ploughing machines? Fire and water there do what horses do here. To carry on farming with machinery ib very economic.tl and the work is duna quicker and better.
You can see it by the harve8·
ters and by the threshing machines.
It saves not only much money, but the farmer becomes more indepen·
dent of manuel labour.
As soon as WP. can we must go in for machinework. Abundant produce makes living cheap; and in that way we cau lower the labour- wages; and that is of great im·
portance to the producer.
23rd DIALOGUE.
I hear you have a couple of cows for sale, is it so?
Y€s, Sir ! six if you like.
No ; I only want one or two.
Let us go to 1he stablt'.
A good lot of tine cows! How much do yuu a,k for that cow ?
Oh, you want tbe test of the bt!
Good a~1imals are the, cheapest.
You are ri~~ht. Sir !
And how much do you want for that crw?
Tw~nty fuur pounds.
That is a good price.
Here is another; you can get her for twenty t110 pour,ds.
And if I take both; how much for the two
r
Wt!l, Sir, 24 and-22 make 46.
